![]() Regarding the cosmology in Sandman we run into a problem where Neil has said or written one thing, and Carey has said or done another in Lucifer. Which at least had a good reason for having the cosmic entities involved but the later stories, OTOH. IMO this is a much better way to handle cosmic entities than anything Marvel's done since the Infinity Gauntlet. She didn't dredge up Mongul as some Dime Store Thanos to go kick Luthor's ass, she literally went "Woo hoo! My first vacation" and relaxed next to a 'customer' on a mountainside for what was either a few hours or a few minutes. ![]() The said Endless did a checkup and it's directly indicated that the Endless in question figured out pretty quickly it would be a brief vacation, and that was how Death of the Endless reacted to Lex Luthor's brief moment of ending entropy and her concept's function. It's worth noting there is a single DC Arc dealing with a brief point where an individual connected to superhero tiers did gain a power to temporarily do away with the sphere of an Endless. The Endless are concepts, they haven't really been used for 'punch Superman in the face' (yet) and this is a good thing. If the Endless or their avatars picked a bar fight with Lucifer or Michael or the Presence it would be a fight in the sense of an ant versus Godzilla. The Presence and the archangels, in particular Michael and Lucifer sons of Yahweh, have a kind of power over the material world completely different to the Endless. If anything, The Presence is an aspect of the Overmonitor, along with The Source, The Word, Wally the God-Boy, etc.DC's cosmology is not 'rocks paper scissors.' The cosmic entities in DC haven't exactly been written, minus the Spectre and Kismet, as participating in the superhero-supervillain tier nearly as much as their Marvel counterparts do. There are certain things he doesn't know, and which occur outside of his plan, and he cannot know the thoughts of comparable beings. And using the fact that it didn't know about the Writer is irrelevant because The Writer is DC's true supreme being, of course it's more powerful and capable that OM, and besides, The Presence himself is not fully omniscient and has very clear limitations that clearly contradict the definition of omnipotence, for example, He is incapable of killing The Great Evil Beast, with both being equal halves of the same whole. Characters with Demiurgic powers can inflict some kind of will, but nowhere near the extent of The Writer's, and this is proven that even after Lucifer created his Multiverse, the Overvoid is still all-encompassing. To the Over-Monitor, all of DC is nothing but a story, and cannot be killed by anything because without it, nothing exists. When was it ever proven that the Over-Monitor was far below the Presence? Sure, it's not omniscient, but its very nature puts it above him. It could only encapsulate and contain the work to isolate it from the rest of the Overvoid. It is not all-powerful, because it could not erase the Writer's work, nor could it undo the work of the Presence or Lucifer. It is not omniscient - it was originally unaware that the Writer had drawn on it. The Overmonitor is also with limits, perhaps more so than the Presence. This means the Presence is even stronger than the Overmonitor. The Presence is more powerful than Lucifer, as the demiurgic power Lucifer possessed is but a portion of the Presence's power. ![]() If Lucifer Morningstar saw the Overmonitor as a mere canvas, something he could do whatever he wanted with (which he proved by creating the new Multiverse), then he is obviously more powerful than the Overmonitor. ![]() A God needs only a canvas".Īny being that has demiurgic power can enforce their will upon the Overmonitor in much the same way the Writer can. Once Lucifer gained the Demiurgic Power from Michael and created an entire Multiverse with it, he stated (referring to himself): "A King needs an army. The Overmonitor has actually been proven to be far beneath the Presence in power. ![]()
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